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Lending Club Update December 2013

December 10, 2013 by Brad 26 Comments  Richmond Savers has partnered with CardRatings for our coverage of credit card products. Richmond Savers and CardRatings may receive a commission from card issuers.

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We opened our Lending Club peer-to-peer lending account exactly one year ago, so now is a good time to assess our early performance and reflect on where this fits into our short and long-term investing strategy.  If you aren’t familiar with Lending Club or P2P lending in general, we suggest you read our article entitled Lending Club for Fun and Profit, where we describe the concept and our strategy to maximize returns.

Lending Club Summary Dec 2013After the first year, we’ve earned an “Adjusted Net Annualized Return” of 12.44% — which we are Lending Club Net Annualized Return  Dec 2013quite pleased with!  This money was sitting in our online savings account previously earning well under 1%, so this represents a huge net gain for us.

This “adjusted” NAR is a new update to LC’s account summary page and it paints a more accurate picture of your true return, as it shows a reduction to NAR for any loans currently in the grace period or any further stage of late payment status.

As you can see on the left, we do already have 10 notes that have been charged off after becoming 120+ days late and we currently have 4 notes at least 16 days late.  All these notes were in the very early stages of their repayment period, so each represents a loss of $20+ of principal per note (out of $25 originally).

Because we now only invest in C-G grade loans (higher risk but significantly higher returns than the top rated A and B loans) we fully expect to have a number of loans charged off, so this is not terribly concerning.  When you purchase these loans, Lending Club gives you an expected default rate for each category, and we mentally prepared ourselves to easily expect 5%-10% of our loans to eventually default.

Do What’s Right for You

If the thought of loaning someone your hard earned money and having them essentially run away with it (sometimes in the first month or two) is just horrible for you, then this is not the right investment for your own portfolio or psychological well-being!

The only other alternative is to invest in only A grade loans, where the defaults will be significantly reduced; there will still be defaults and you are limiting your upside dramatically since the actual stated interest rates of the loans are only ~7% to begin with.  When you look at the stats over Lending Club’s first $3 billion of loans, Grades C-F are your best bets for total returns, so those are the grades we look to invest solely in.

One Caveat

Overall we are very happy with our Lending Club investment, but here is our main concern:

Lending Club is doing phenomenally well these days and the demand for low grade loans far exceeds the supply, so it is extremely competitive to get your share of any of these loans.  LC adds new loans four times per day (9am EST, 1pm EST, 5pm EST and 9pm EST) and you basically have to sit there refreshing your browser to see when the new set of loans gets loaded and then you hurry to get invested before the loans fill up.  LC needs to add an automatic investment option and come up with some fair way to allocate these available high-demand loans.

That said, once you are invested in a loan, you’re in it for 3 or 5 years, so this is not a major issue once you’re already invested.  But whenever we add money, it is difficult and time-consuming to get fully invested.

I do still think this is a great investment and I’m almost certain that we’ll earn a long-term annual return of 5%-10%, but I’d like to see it play out over the 2014 before I really consider adding more funds to our account.

Link:  Click here to open a Lending Club investing account or a Lending Club IRA

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Comments

  1. Done by Forty says

    December 10, 2013 at 12:12 pm

    For better or worse, our state (AZ) doesn’t allow P2P lending. In a way, I am grateful to have one fewer investment option to have to consider. But I see these returns and think, hey, that must be nice. 🙂

    I hope your loans beat the average for those grades, and you get some nice money from it!

    Reply
    • Brad says

      December 11, 2013 at 8:12 pm

      Are you allowed to buy notes on the secondary market? I was under the impression that states that didn’t allow P2P loans to be purchased might allow the secondary purchasing, but I clearly could be wrong. The absolute best site for P2P is Lend Academy, so I’m going to check it out just for my own knowledge.

      The returns really are great (so far) and it is a lot of fun to do this! You’d be amazed at how much detail you get on these loans; you really are your own bank, which is amazing!

      Reply
  2. MMD says

    December 10, 2013 at 10:50 pm

    I was strongly considering doing an experiment similar to yours with P2P lending last year. But then found out that Michigan didn’t allow it. Too bad because a 12% return would be really nice.

    Reply
    • Brad says

      December 11, 2013 at 8:16 pm

      That is too bad, because it’s a nice investment and a lot of fun! My understanding is that LC is planning an IPO in 2014 and then it will be open to all 50 states. So stay tuned!

      Reply
  3. Laurie @thefrugalfarmer says

    December 11, 2013 at 8:17 am

    We’ve been watching the LC numbers with piqued interest, too, as we work on formulating an investment plan. Most people seem to have good things to say!

    Reply
    • Brad says

      December 11, 2013 at 8:18 pm

      It has definitely been a positive experience for us so far, so I’d recommend looking into it further. It’s a nice way to diversify your investments, and I think if you’re putting at least $5,000 in (200 notes at $25/note) then you should have enough diversity of notes to get a return close to the general average for your investing style.

      We’ll continue to update every handful of months, so I’ll let you know how we’re doing…

      Reply
  4. Andrew@LivingRichCheaply says

    December 11, 2013 at 10:21 am

    I’ve only invested a very small amount in my lending club account. I was actually sticking with the safer loans in the B and C categories. Since I didn’t have much money in it, each default hurt my ROI. I’m at about 6 to 7% right now. I’m not sure what the best approach to it is to get the best return.

    Reply
    • Brad says

      December 11, 2013 at 8:23 pm

      In my opinion (and I’m not an investment advisor so take this for what it’s worth), this is an odd investment for this reason: usually with a standard investment like a stock the more you put in the higher your overall risk level as you’re concentrated highly in one investment. How I see the statistics with P2P lending is that the more you put in, up to a point, the lower your overall risk for precisely the reasons you state. If you only invested $200 (8 loans), your returns could be all over the board, since one default would destroy you, or you could have eight F Grade loans that all pay for 60 months and you get a 20%+ return.

      Once you get to about 200 loans ($5,000 if you only put in $25 per loan, which is what you should do(!)), you’re diversified enough that your returns should somewhat approximate the historical returns. Of course there’s always the chance that you’ll be an outlier either way, but there’s a much higher likelihood your return will approach the average.

      I think it feels nice to be in A and B loans, but the stats show C-F are the best performing, even counting in defaults. So if you’re putting in $5,000+, I’d stick to these personally.

      Reply
  5. J. Rodriguez says

    December 11, 2013 at 5:17 pm

    Hey Brad, Lending club is looking good. 12.44% return…I like! I’m going to have to do some digging and see how well it would work for me. My only fear with Peer to Peer lending is the fact that it’s not very liquid….I guess I have a bit of thinking to do!

    Reply
    • Brad says

      December 11, 2013 at 8:24 pm

      Definitely not very liquid at all! If you need this money, it is very difficult to sell on the secondary market without offering a discount on each loan, so this might not be ideal for you right now. It’s worth looking into though…

      Reply
      • J. Rodriguez says

        December 12, 2013 at 1:37 pm

        Hey Brad, thanks for your response. That definitely clears it up a bit for me. I’ll look into it, but I’ve probably got a good year worth of savings before I’m ready. Thanks again man!

        Reply
        • Brad says

          December 12, 2013 at 9:14 pm

          Sure thing — glad I could help a bit! This is a nice way to invest, but it’s really what I think of as a luxury investment once you have everything else mostly sorted out. I’d only do this once you feel great with your cash cushion and your other investing is squared away and on a good course (and of course any high interest debt is paid off).

          I’ll continue to update on LC, so stay tuned over the coming months…

          Reply
  6. Mrs. PoP says

    December 11, 2013 at 7:44 pm

    What percentage of your portfolio do you have in P2P lending? I’m intrigued by the idea, but it sounds like it requires a fair amount of work to keep up with it all.

    Reply
    • Brad says

      December 11, 2013 at 8:29 pm

      This is definitely not a hands-off investment, no doubt about it! That’s especially true at the outset when you’re trying to get your large deposit invested. Once that’s invested then it is dramatically easier, especially if you invest in A or B loans, which are quite plentiful. Most serious investors want the C grade and lower loans, so there’s a lot of competition.

      This is a very small percentage of our overall net worth (including 401k/IRAs), but even still I’m wary about putting more funds in until I have a better sense of the 2-5 year return. I believe the return will be solid, but I want to see it play out a bit more…

      Reply
  7. Kim@Eyesonthedollar says

    December 11, 2013 at 10:32 pm

    This is very interesting, and I am curious to see returns over several years. Since I am seller financing most of the sale of my practice, that’s already a huge chunk in P2P lending, so I don’t see myself in Lending Club anytime soon. I love the concept. It’s how I was able to buy a business, and how I am essentially able to sell it now. It isn’t with a company, but the same concept applies.

    Reply
    • Brad says

      December 12, 2013 at 9:07 pm

      That’s really interesting Kim — I wouldn’t have thought of it that way, but that makes perfect sense. This really is a neat concept, so maybe once your own P2P loan runs its course you’ll look into LC…

      Reply
  8. DC @ Young Adult Money says

    December 12, 2013 at 12:10 pm

    P2P lending through Lending Club or Prosper is definitely something that I want to pursue. I plan on getting into this at some point in the new year. It’s always good to hear about other people’s experiences with the site so thanks for the update!

    Reply
    • Brad says

      December 12, 2013 at 9:09 pm

      Sure thing DC, I’m glad you enjoyed the article and got a little more information about P2P lending for when you plan on pursuing it.

      Reply
  9. FI Fighter says

    December 12, 2013 at 12:19 pm

    Very impressive results! I love the idea of diversifying into different investment vehicles. I may have to give this a shot sometime next year. Too bad the demand is outweighing the supply though! 10%+ returns are always solid in my book.

    Reply
    • Brad says

      December 12, 2013 at 9:12 pm

      Thanks, I’m really pleased so far! I certainly expect it to come down to earth a little, but I figure 9% is very realistic for the long-term. This is a good way to diversify with a small percentage of your assets; I certainly wouldn’t recommend anyone put in 20%+ of their assets, but it is nice thing for a much smaller percentage.

      I’ve noticed over the past handful of days that the supply is getting better, so I think they must be working on that significantly behind the scenes. With a potential IPO in 2014 they need to do everything they can to keep the platform thriving.

      Reply
  10. Mom @ Three is Plenty says

    December 12, 2013 at 4:51 pm

    I just logged into invest my monthly contribution yesterday, and I noticed they’re advertising their PRIME service – it sounds like it’s doing some auto-investing for you? I don’t have the minimum to invest in it, nor the desire to put that much into Lending Club at the moment, so I couldn’t investigate further.

    Reply
    • Brad says

      December 12, 2013 at 9:16 pm

      I’ve always contemplated doing the Prime thing, but I don’t like certain things about it. There is such a high demand for the “best” loans when new loans are loaded that unless they invest then, which they don’t, you will never get into those loans. So I’m not sure there’s much value in Prime for me personally.

      That said, Peter Renton’s Lend Academy blog had a great article about Prime recently. This site is the gold standard for P2P news, so check it out.

      Reply
  11. H @ Minding My Cents says

    December 12, 2013 at 4:56 pm

    12.44% return is great! I’ve heard a lot of good things about LC and Prosper so it’s definitely on my list to check out next year. How long did it take you to invest your ~$5K? Did you set up additional criteria for the notes you funded (in addition to them being C-G grades)?

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    • Brad says

      December 12, 2013 at 9:20 pm

      Thanks, I’m really pleased with this after a year! I’d recommend looking into it for sure, but like I said earlier, I would really only consider doing it if you were planning on putting in at least $2,500-$5,000 eventually. I just don’t like the risk of only have 10-50 loans as it just doesn’t seem diversified enough. Sure you can get lucky and get a 20% return, but you have a decent chance of getting rather unlucky and getting a negative return. With 200+ loans it is very difficult to go negative (though not impossible of course).

      Not sure precisely how long it took me to initially invest, but that’s a great question. A year ago there was a lot more loan availability and also when I first started out I was investing in B Grade loans, which are quite plentiful. So my first $3,000 went there, but the remainder of my investment went to C-G loans.

      I do have some filters and I talk about them in my prior article about Lending Club.

      Reply
  12. Sanders says

    January 11, 2014 at 12:36 pm

    Hey Brad,

    Found this site via the NYTimes article. Great website and I’m looking forward to more articles.

    Question: are you using the Lending Club website or another site to invest? It’s such a horribly clunky and user-unfriendly website that I’m a bit turned off by it and have heard there are better options (according to Lend Academy).

    I also checked out Prosper.com but it seems they have less than 20 loan options total. Have you checked out their site?

    Reply
    • Brad says

      January 13, 2014 at 7:36 am

      Hi Sanders,

      Thanks for the kind words — I’m glad you liked the site!

      I actually am using the Lending Club website to invest. Maybe I’m just used to it, but I don’t have a huge problem with the interface. The funny thing is that I like it a whole lot better than Prosper’s site, so one of the reasons I stuck with LC is the site!

      But I do appreciate your concerns that it isn’t the best, and coupled with my main issues of 1) loan availability (though this has been dramatically better the past few weeks) 2) loans appearing on the site and then not issuing (you get your money back of course, but it is very frustrating!), this is not the ideal investment for someone looking for a relatively passive way to deploy their funds.

      That all said, it is fun, the return is great (so far), and if you are willing to spend some time at the outset, I think you’ll have a positive experience.

      Reply

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